Comments on: The web standards war is far from over http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/ Web development and Internet trends Thu, 18 Mar 2010 09:35:29 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Algumas questões em torno do desenvolvimento de sites para dispositivos móveis ? Revolução Etc http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-626840 Algumas questões em torno do desenvolvimento de sites para dispositivos móveis ? Revolução Etc Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:40:03 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-626840 [...] assunto acaba desenterrando outro sobre a guerra em prol dos web standards. Se você acredita que a guerra acabou, devo dizer que você está enganado. Se você está se perguntando o que web standards tem a ver [...] [...] assunto acaba desenterrando outro sobre a guerra em prol dos web standards. Se você acredita que a guerra acabou, devo dizer que você está enganado. Se você está se perguntando o que web standards tem a ver [...]

]]> By: Web Standards Still Matter « Robertdot, A Web Design Blog http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-500560 Web Standards Still Matter « Robertdot, A Web Design Blog Fri, 16 Jan 2009 01:50:41 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-500560 [...] Robert Nyman also threw in a few words that, once again, summed up the need to use and advocate standards. [...] [...] Robert Nyman also threw in a few words that, once again, summed up the need to use and advocate standards. [...]

]]> By: Why standards still matter | What did you mean ? http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-358207 Why standards still matter | What did you mean ? Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:57:07 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-358207 [...] support in the blogosphere from a number of different sources including (but not limited to) Robert Nyman and myself. [...] [...] support in the blogosphere from a number of different sources including (but not limited to) Robert Nyman and myself. [...]

]]> By: newsroomnext » ‘The Web is like Canada’ and 12 other contestants in the Web-simile slam-down! http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-149318 newsroomnext » ‘The Web is like Canada’ and 12 other contestants in the Web-simile slam-down! Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:41:14 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-149318 [...] The Web is like a great big car…carrying people around to different places [...] [...] The Web is like a great big car…carrying people around to different places [...]

]]> By: Algumas questões em torno do desenvolvimento de sites para dispositivos móveis » Revolução Etc - Web Standards em uma casca de noz! http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-61795 Algumas questões em torno do desenvolvimento de sites para dispositivos móveis » Revolução Etc - Web Standards em uma casca de noz! Sun, 20 May 2007 21:24:51 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-61795 [...] assunto acaba desenterrando outro sobre a guerra em prol dos web standards. Se você acredita que a guerra acabou, devo dizer que você está enganado. Se você está se perguntando o que web standards tem a ver [...] [...] assunto acaba desenterrando outro sobre a guerra em prol dos web standards. Se você acredita que a guerra acabou, devo dizer que você está enganado. Se você está se perguntando o que web standards tem a ver [...]

]]> By: “Validation isn’t important, it’s just an intranet” - Robert’s talk http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-55711 “Validation isn’t important, it’s just an intranet” - Robert’s talk Thu, 03 May 2007 08:41:53 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-55711 [...] The web standards war is far from over Posted in HTML/XHTML, Developing, Technology [...] [...] The web standards war is far from over Posted in HTML/XHTML, Developing, Technology [...]

]]> By: Usabilità « Usability, accessibility and the Web World http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-51433 Usabilità « Usability, accessibility and the Web World Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:54:24 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-51433 [...] Leggetevi anche questo post per documentarvi maggiormente: The web standards war is far from over [...] [...] Leggetevi anche questo post per documentarvi maggiormente: The web standards war is far from over [...]

]]> By: With these web sites, would you say the web standards war is won? - Robert’s talk http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-29950 With these web sites, would you say the web standards war is won? - Robert’s talk Wed, 24 Jan 2007 11:53:08 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-29950 [...] g 1172 validation errors. Would you say that the war is won? Related reading The web standards war is far from over Posted in [...] [...] g 1172 validation errors. Would you say that the war is won? Related reading The web standards war is far from over Posted in [...]

]]> By: 2006, the year that was - Robert’s talk http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-24704 2006, the year that was - Robert’s talk Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:17:36 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-24704 [...] se spread the word; teach your friends, colleagues, relatives, enemies. Also, please read The web standards war is far from over by yours truly. Best web de [...] [...] se spread the word; teach your friends, colleagues, relatives, enemies. Also, please read The web standards war is far from over by yours truly. Best web de [...]

]]> By: Sheriar Designs: Impeccable Code | Beautiful Design » Blog Archive » The Future Of My Blog http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10945 Sheriar Designs: Impeccable Code | Beautiful Design » Blog Archive » The Future Of My Blog Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:18:04 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10945 [...] igns in the CSS Zen Garden for God’s sake! ;~) Now, even though clearly the battle is not over, I’m feeling like there’s not a hell of a l [...] [...] igns in the CSS Zen Garden for God’s sake! ;~) Now, even though clearly the battle is not over, I’m feeling like there’s not a hell of a l [...]

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10707 Robert Nyman Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:16:57 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10707 Candice, In a nutshell: yes. Candice,

In a nutshell: yes.

]]> By: Candice Harris http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10692 Candice Harris Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:52 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10692 I think people think up such things like restrictions, rules and norms. It’s usual for the society on the whole. So there is no reason to call this discussion a "WAR". It is simply a demonstration of society or the side effects thereof. I think people think up such things like restrictions, rules and norms. It’s usual for the society on the whole. So there is no reason to call this discussion a “WAR”. It is simply a demonstration of society or the side effects thereof.

]]> By: Spead the Word About Standards - Monday By Noon http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10473 Spead the Word About Standards - Monday By Noon Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:39:44 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10473 [...] reafter another article was written by Robert Nyman who also had a few things to say about The Web Standards War. Both articles give a refreshing look into t [...] [...] reafter another article was written by Robert Nyman who also had a few things to say about The Web Standards War. Both articles give a refreshing look into t [...]

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10472 Robert Nyman Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:18:10 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10472 Jules, Intereresting discussion. <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.10" rel="nofollow">According to W3C</a>: <blockquote>The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related controls and labels.</blockquote> So generally I would agree with you. :-) Jules,

Intereresting discussion.
According to W3C:

The FIELDSET element allows authors to group thematically related controls and labels.

So generally I would agree with you. :-)

]]> By: Jules http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10469 Jules Mon, 25 Sep 2006 13:00:44 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10469 Sorry people, getting a bit off-topic here but I am going to continue anyway. In a situation where you may wish to have a text input for First Name and a text input for Last Name on different lines, I would use: <code><p><label for="firstname">First Name:</label><input id="firstname" name="firstname" type="text" /></p> <p><label for="lastname">Last Name:</label><input id="lastname" name="lastname" type="text" /></p></code> It would not have been necessary to wrap a <code>fieldset</code> element around each of the two <code>input</code> elements but it might be useful to wrap the two of them together inside one <code>fieldset</code> element with a <code>legend</code> of Name (or something like that). As I understand it, the purpose of the <code>fieldset</code> element is to group related fields. I also believe that the <code>fieldset</code> element should group radio buttons, checkboxes and possibly select lists (I just thought of this so I will have to consider it more) but I don't think the <code>fieldset</code> element is needed to wrap around a single text input. Sorry people, getting a bit off-topic here but I am going to continue anyway.

In a situation where you may wish to have a text input for First Name and a text input for Last Name on different lines, I would use:

<p><label for="firstname">First Name:</label><input id="firstname" name="firstname" type="text" /></p>

<p><label for="lastname">Last Name:</label><input id="lastname" name="lastname" type="text" /></p>

It would not have been necessary to wrap a fieldset element around each of the two input elements but it might be useful to wrap the two of them together inside one fieldset element with a legend of Name (or something like that). As I understand it, the purpose of the fieldset element is to group related fields.

I also believe that the fieldset element should group radio buttons, checkboxes and possibly select lists (I just thought of this so I will have to consider it more) but I don’t think the fieldset element is needed to wrap around a single text input.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10431 Robert Nyman Mon, 25 Sep 2006 07:03:18 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10431 Tommy, Yeah, I got my wires crossed... :-) Prisca, Absolutely, war is not a good word for it. Chris, The term web standards is used because it has become the common way for people to label the W3C specifications; of course it is, in practicality, recommendations. I've worked with companies who have gotten ISO certifications so I definitely know what you're talking about. I would welcome ISO standardization for web browsers vendors, unless such a tedious process becomes to complex and holds back web browser development which then in turn will harm web developers and end users alike. For now, the small demand is for web developers to follow the W3C specifications to make sure web sites work and can reach as many end users as possible. Tommy,

Yeah, I got my wires crossed… :-)

Prisca,

Absolutely, war is not a good word for it.

Chris,

The term web standards is used because it has become the common way for people to label the W3C specifications; of course it is, in practicality, recommendations.

I’ve worked with companies who have gotten ISO certifications so I definitely know what you’re talking about. I would welcome ISO standardization for web browsers vendors, unless such a tedious process becomes to complex and holds back web browser development which then in turn will harm web developers and end users alike.

For now, the small demand is for web developers to follow the W3C specifications to make sure web sites work and can reach as many end users as possible.

]]> By: Chris Velevitch http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10303 Chris Velevitch Sun, 24 Sep 2006 05:34:33 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10303 Web Standards? No such thing! I’d really like so see real discussions on Web Standards. The W3C only create recommendations. Is the browser you are using to view this ISO complaint? Maybe I’m naive to think there isn’t any ISO standard complaint browsers around? Yet, how is it that I see lot’s of requests on so called standards lists asking if their site works in browser x? Do you, or better yet, the browser builders, have a well worn copy of ISO/IEC 15445:2000 on their desk? Where are all the other ISO standards? And what about the ISO Certification process for browsers? The Web Standards war won’t start until the standards and certification processes are in place. Web Standards? No such thing! I’d really like so see real discussions on Web Standards. The W3C only create recommendations. Is the browser you are using to view this ISO complaint? Maybe I’m naive to think there isn’t any ISO standard complaint browsers around? Yet, how is it that I see lot’s of requests on so called standards lists asking if their site works in browser x? Do you, or better yet, the browser builders, have a well worn copy of ISO/IEC 15445:2000 on their desk? Where are all the other ISO standards? And what about the ISO Certification process for browsers? The Web Standards war won’t start until the standards and certification processes are in place.

]]> By: Prisca http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10172 Prisca Sat, 23 Sep 2006 08:24:58 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10172 .... with you guys all the way - but I wish the term ' war ' would not be used... it might be one - but it's not exactly the most positive message to get out there.... should be more a web standard revolution - or liberation of webdesign..... in my opinion anyway ;) …. with you guys all the way – but I wish the term ‘ war ‘ would not be used… it might be one – but it’s not exactly the most positive message to get out there…. should be more a web standard revolution – or liberation of webdesign….. in my opinion anyway ;)

]]> By: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Some links for light reading (23/9/06) http://robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10141 Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Some links for light reading (23/9/06) Fri, 22 Sep 2006 22:37:29 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/09/20/the-web-standards-war-is-far-from-over/#comment-10141 [...] 3rd, 2006 Google Goes To Web Standardsville, Part Two Why standards still matter The web standards war is far from over Highlight M [...] [...] 3rd, 2006 Google Goes To Web Standardsville, Part Two Why standards still matter The web standards war is far from over Highlight M [...]

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