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	<title>Comments on: Unavailable fullscreen view on Mac is such a shortcoming</title>
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		<title>By: Kamran Ashraf</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2006/11/02/unavailable-fullscreen-view-on-mac-is-such-a-shortcoming/#comment-620267</link>
		<dc:creator>Kamran Ashraf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 05:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree that Fullscreen feature is essential. As an I.T Professional i can manage things, having to maximize each time or having a shortcut to maximize any open window but its hard for others. On a Macbook Pro 17&quot; i found it very difficult to satisfy our Director to maximize the windows this way or that but he kept on asking to maximize it when he opens any application as it has a big screen. I had no other option to reduce the screen resolution.... Surely ikey looks good and i will try it... Thanks the user who posted it :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree that Fullscreen feature is essential. As an I.T Professional i can manage things, having to maximize each time or having a shortcut to maximize any open window but its hard for others. On a Macbook Pro 17&#8243; i found it very difficult to satisfy our Director to maximize the windows this way or that but he kept on asking to maximize it when he opens any application as it has a big screen. I had no other option to reduce the screen resolution&#8230;. Surely ikey looks good and i will try it&#8230; Thanks the user who posted it <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old guy. Bad eyes. A maximized Mac window doesn&#039;t do it. If I zoom in there is so little in the visible window I have to scroll while 1/3 of the width of my Mac Book Pro screen goes unused. What a waste. Need to be able to expand the window manually like Windows allows or needs a horizontal maximize button. 

Dr. Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old guy. Bad eyes. A maximized Mac window doesn&#8217;t do it. If I zoom in there is so little in the visible window I have to scroll while 1/3 of the width of my Mac Book Pro screen goes unused. What a waste. Need to be able to expand the window manually like Windows allows or needs a horizontal maximize button. </p>
<p>Dr. Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Joosten</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Joosten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 19:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I all, i am very happy to hear other people that have the same problem I have. What annoys me most about not being able te get full screen is taht scrolling the scrol bar ends often in hitting the window underneath which obliges me to go back to the original window. 

Indeed why not have a full screen option? 

regards,

Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I all, i am very happy to hear other people that have the same problem I have. What annoys me most about not being able te get full screen is taht scrolling the scrol bar ends often in hitting the window underneath which obliges me to go back to the original window. </p>
<p>Indeed why not have a full screen option? </p>
<p>regards,</p>
<p>Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Mathias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mathias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right Zoom
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30591

&quot;Right Zoom utility is created for people who don&#039;t like a default behaviour of green Zoom button in Mac OS X programs. This small program changes its behaviour, so a green button will always maximize your windows to all available screen space instead of inconvenient resizing. You will also be able to maximize the active window with Command + Option + E keys (can be customised).
The program changes a behaviour of most annoying examples of inconvenient zoom button behaviour (Finder, Safari, MS Office, Pages etc). You can easily extend this list with your own applications.

You can customise it to expand the windows with Option key pressed only, or use your own hotkey to expand windows to a full size.

More options are available to customise. Hold Cmd key on program startup to configure its options.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right Zoom<br />
<a href="http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30591" rel="nofollow">http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/30591</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Right Zoom utility is created for people who don&#8217;t like a default behaviour of green Zoom button in Mac OS X programs. This small program changes its behaviour, so a green button will always maximize your windows to all available screen space instead of inconvenient resizing. You will also be able to maximize the active window with Command + Option + E keys (can be customised).<br />
The program changes a behaviour of most annoying examples of inconvenient zoom button behaviour (Finder, Safari, MS Office, Pages etc). You can easily extend this list with your own applications.</p>
<p>You can customise it to expand the windows with Option key pressed only, or use your own hotkey to expand windows to a full size.</p>
<p>More options are available to customise. Hold Cmd key on program startup to configure its options.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leonie</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2006/11/02/unavailable-fullscreen-view-on-mac-is-such-a-shortcoming/#comment-597307</link>
		<dc:creator>Leonie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks all, this is a very useful page. I&#039;m contemplating getting a Mac - the 13&quot; MacBook is unfortunately all I can stretch to - but most of my work is in Word and I am beginning to wonder about a Mac now, despite everyone singing its praises...  I mean, why can&#039;t I get the option to see just my document (and be able to read it too) without squinting at text and making myself half blind??  I&#039;m sure they have their uses and look funky etc etc etc but this seems downright daft.  Pull your socks up Apple.  I mean, presumably you don&#039;t have to download some sort of app to close the darn thing too...?!

Tsk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all, this is a very useful page. I&#8217;m contemplating getting a Mac &#8211; the 13&#8243; MacBook is unfortunately all I can stretch to &#8211; but most of my work is in Word and I am beginning to wonder about a Mac now, despite everyone singing its praises&#8230;  I mean, why can&#8217;t I get the option to see just my document (and be able to read it too) without squinting at text and making myself half blind??  I&#8217;m sure they have their uses and look funky etc etc etc but this seems downright daft.  Pull your socks up Apple.  I mean, presumably you don&#8217;t have to download some sort of app to close the darn thing too&#8230;?!</p>
<p>Tsk.</p>
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		<title>By: foxen77</title>
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		<dc:creator>foxen77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well i came to this site cause i googled &quot;how to fullscreen mac&quot;

SUX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well i came to this site cause i googled &#8220;how to fullscreen mac&#8221;</p>
<p>SUX</p>
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		<title>By: foxen77</title>
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		<dc:creator>foxen77</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I TOTALLY AGREE.

I just bought my first mac (mac pro notebook 13 inc) 

i am a windows user at work and home too.

and first thing i ask a mac user friend was how to blow up windows in fullscreen. 

this is the first bad thing i had with mac so far. but a critical part. MUST BE FIXED ASAP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I TOTALLY AGREE.</p>
<p>I just bought my first mac (mac pro notebook 13 inc) </p>
<p>i am a windows user at work and home too.</p>
<p>and first thing i ask a mac user friend was how to blow up windows in fullscreen. </p>
<p>this is the first bad thing i had with mac so far. but a critical part. MUST BE FIXED ASAP!</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2006/11/02/unavailable-fullscreen-view-on-mac-is-such-a-shortcoming/#comment-571830</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I despise that i cannot maximize a window on my mac. it&#039;s infuriating! The green button is spastic and rarely does anything useful. I end up toggling the zoom sizes of the text praying it&#039;ll help. And it totally destroys how deviantart works. Someone needs to fix this before i decide i just can&#039;t stand being a mac person and admit to being a religious PC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I despise that i cannot maximize a window on my mac. it&#8217;s infuriating! The green button is spastic and rarely does anything useful. I end up toggling the zoom sizes of the text praying it&#8217;ll help. And it totally destroys how deviantart works. Someone needs to fix this before i decide i just can&#8217;t stand being a mac person and admit to being a religious PC</p>
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		<title>By: ss</title>
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		<dc:creator>ss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps- i just realized this was first published back in &#039;06, yet, as of this writing, in feb 09, mac os still doesn&#039;t have the ability to maximize its windows to full screen. somebody help, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps- i just realized this was first published back in &#8216;06, yet, as of this writing, in feb 09, mac os still doesn&#8217;t have the ability to maximize its windows to full screen. somebody help, please.</p>
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		<title>By: ss</title>
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		<dc:creator>ss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m a lifelong mac user, and this is the single most frustrating thing i&#039;ve ever had to deal with with the mac. from time to time, i google &quot;full screen mac&quot;, just to see what comes up, and there was never a good solution until the brilliant menufela, which did EXACTLY what i&#039;ve always wanted on the mac; not just full screen, but full screen, hiding the menu bar, and auto hide on the menu bar, so IT&#039;S STILL THERE IF YOU NEED IT, just scroll up, got it mac zealots? i never use the friggin menu bar anyway, unless to learn some new shortcuts on a new app. 

the 2 things which were stated in this thread that were most poignant, was the guy who mentioned, and there are plenty of silly mac zealots out there who defend this; you&#039;ll see them right after this post i&#039;m sure, that say, â€œthe lack of maximize is an awesome feature&quot;, albeit not in the exact words, but they&#039;ll FIERCELY DEFEND THE LACK OF A FEATURE, even if it&#039;s an option THEY DON&#039;T HAVE TO USE. i personally like the ability to maximize a window for maximum size on a small screen, like my laptop, i.e. because of limited screen real estate. and yes, it is very frustrating when, as the other post, which stated, &quot;So many times at work Iâ€™ve watched Mac users â€œmaximiseâ€ their windows by first moving the window to the upper left, then clicking and dragging the bottom right. What a waste of time!&quot;

now, mac zealots... idiots... i love mac os, i really do, even though you morons are going to tell me that if i want this feature to go use windows; but for you imbeciles who like to waste your time &quot;maximizing&quot; a window by moving it and dragging the lower right corner, or using small windows. you can still choose to have it that way if you wish; you don&#039;t HAVE to use the windows full screen if you don&#039;t want to. windows windows have the full screen option, or you can use them smaller, like mac windows. 

are we proud mac users going to defend a lack of a feature, and option, and criticize windows for having superior window handling, i.e. more options? if you want to have a cluttered wacky window system, fine with me, what you do on your computer is your business, but give me, and the rest of us who desire some better functionality, that OPTION.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m a lifelong mac user, and this is the single most frustrating thing i&#8217;ve ever had to deal with with the mac. from time to time, i google &#8220;full screen mac&#8221;, just to see what comes up, and there was never a good solution until the brilliant menufela, which did EXACTLY what i&#8217;ve always wanted on the mac; not just full screen, but full screen, hiding the menu bar, and auto hide on the menu bar, so IT&#8217;S STILL THERE IF YOU NEED IT, just scroll up, got it mac zealots? i never use the friggin menu bar anyway, unless to learn some new shortcuts on a new app. </p>
<p>the 2 things which were stated in this thread that were most poignant, was the guy who mentioned, and there are plenty of silly mac zealots out there who defend this; you&#8217;ll see them right after this post i&#8217;m sure, that say, â€œthe lack of maximize is an awesome feature&#8221;, albeit not in the exact words, but they&#8217;ll FIERCELY DEFEND THE LACK OF A FEATURE, even if it&#8217;s an option THEY DON&#8217;T HAVE TO USE. i personally like the ability to maximize a window for maximum size on a small screen, like my laptop, i.e. because of limited screen real estate. and yes, it is very frustrating when, as the other post, which stated, &#8220;So many times at work Iâ€™ve watched Mac users â€œmaximiseâ€ their windows by first moving the window to the upper left, then clicking and dragging the bottom right. What a waste of time!&#8221;</p>
<p>now, mac zealots&#8230; idiots&#8230; i love mac os, i really do, even though you morons are going to tell me that if i want this feature to go use windows; but for you imbeciles who like to waste your time &#8220;maximizing&#8221; a window by moving it and dragging the lower right corner, or using small windows. you can still choose to have it that way if you wish; you don&#8217;t HAVE to use the windows full screen if you don&#8217;t want to. windows windows have the full screen option, or you can use them smaller, like mac windows. </p>
<p>are we proud mac users going to defend a lack of a feature, and option, and criticize windows for having superior window handling, i.e. more options? if you want to have a cluttered wacky window system, fine with me, what you do on your computer is your business, but give me, and the rest of us who desire some better functionality, that OPTION.</p>
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		<title>By: vincent panella</title>
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		<dc:creator>vincent panella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 15:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a new mac user I&#039;m considering returning to my pc where I can get wordperfect instead of microsoft word - the absence of the reveal codees feature on word makes me feel like I&#039;m writing blind.  The word help menu is useless. 
 As for gettting a full screen, this is also a downside for me as I like a full, plain screen with no distractions.  Even when I tucked safari et al into the applicaitons folder, I&#039;m still left with the trash basket and Finder.  Isn&#039;t there a way I can eliminate these?
    The only feature of the mac that I find attractive is that it&#039;s supposedly less vulnerable to viruses.  Otrherwise, it&#039;s like a piece of candy - alot of visuals but really no different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a new mac user I&#8217;m considering returning to my pc where I can get wordperfect instead of microsoft word &#8211; the absence of the reveal codees feature on word makes me feel like I&#8217;m writing blind.  The word help menu is useless.<br />
 As for gettting a full screen, this is also a downside for me as I like a full, plain screen with no distractions.  Even when I tucked safari et al into the applicaitons folder, I&#8217;m still left with the trash basket and Finder.  Isn&#8217;t there a way I can eliminate these?<br />
    The only feature of the mac that I find attractive is that it&#8217;s supposedly less vulnerable to viruses.  Otrherwise, it&#8217;s like a piece of candy &#8211; alot of visuals but really no different.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you can hit option command D to hid and show your dock so if you hid your dock you can stretch your page out even more the only other thing is

megazoomer you can download it for mac

well thats all hope this helped peace out</description>
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<p>megazoomer you can download it for mac</p>
<p>well thats all hope this helped peace out</p>
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		<title>By: David Winter</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Winter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 10:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems I&#039;m late to the debate, but as a writer who has returned to the Mac from a ten year Windows diaspora, I&#039;d like to support the &quot;full screen&quot; believers.

I strongly believe that other than computers, people (especially men) are not meant to multitask. We are just not wired that way (any intro level book about the evolution of the brain will tell you why).

For this reason, I try to remove all visual distraction when working. That means: When I read (or write), much like with a physical book, I do not want to see dozens of buttons, sliders or other GUI widgets. Just text will do, thank you, and if I feel like dragging + dropping something from A to B (happens two times a week), I will resize the window to do that.

Now you can say a lot of bad things about Windows, but the typical Windows app will allow you to switch off all those annoying &quot;bars&quot; and guides, so you can literally strip the thing once you know all the key shortcuts.

A Mac app will (due to the different philosophy with regards to menus and their relation to windows) always leave some chrome on screen that just cannot be switched off. And this *is* distracting. There are a few exceptions like the fullscreen modes for media players (VLC, QuickTime) and Keynotes, but for me, this is not enough.

I love my Mac, and I preach the advantages of its minimalistic GUI concept to everyone. But it ends with the windows chrome (menu bar, scroll-bars and the three buttons) - they will always stay onscreen.

As a grown-up who does not need these visual crutches, I&#039;d like to switch these visual aids off and make whatever window I am currently working on full-screen - no handles, no scroll-bars; just the pure content (text, image, whatever).

Is that really too much to ask for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems I&#8217;m late to the debate, but as a writer who has returned to the Mac from a ten year Windows diaspora, I&#8217;d like to support the &#8220;full screen&#8221; believers.</p>
<p>I strongly believe that other than computers, people (especially men) are not meant to multitask. We are just not wired that way (any intro level book about the evolution of the brain will tell you why).</p>
<p>For this reason, I try to remove all visual distraction when working. That means: When I read (or write), much like with a physical book, I do not want to see dozens of buttons, sliders or other GUI widgets. Just text will do, thank you, and if I feel like dragging + dropping something from A to B (happens two times a week), I will resize the window to do that.</p>
<p>Now you can say a lot of bad things about Windows, but the typical Windows app will allow you to switch off all those annoying &#8220;bars&#8221; and guides, so you can literally strip the thing once you know all the key shortcuts.</p>
<p>A Mac app will (due to the different philosophy with regards to menus and their relation to windows) always leave some chrome on screen that just cannot be switched off. And this *is* distracting. There are a few exceptions like the fullscreen modes for media players (VLC, QuickTime) and Keynotes, but for me, this is not enough.</p>
<p>I love my Mac, and I preach the advantages of its minimalistic GUI concept to everyone. But it ends with the windows chrome (menu bar, scroll-bars and the three buttons) &#8211; they will always stay onscreen.</p>
<p>As a grown-up who does not need these visual crutches, I&#8217;d like to switch these visual aids off and make whatever window I am currently working on full-screen &#8211; no handles, no scroll-bars; just the pure content (text, image, whatever).</p>
<p>Is that really too much to ask for?</p>
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		<title>By: solidox</title>
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		<dc:creator>solidox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 10:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;what people seem to forget Mac OS is a very drag and drop operating system, for example if iâ€™m browsing the web and there is a particular piece of text or picture I want to refer back to at a latter time, I just drag it to the desktop, with text it creates a clipboard cutting of the text and with a picture itâ€™s like right clicking and save image as in windows. Try it out, itâ€™s really quite useful.
If you learn to use a Mac the way in which Apple intended you will find itâ€™s a lot more intuitive and easier to use than windows &lt;/i&gt;


You can do all that with a maximised window. The Fx keys still work and you can do &quot;click, drag, F11, drop&quot;. Or like I do, with hot corners that show the desktop.

But most of all, I think I can choose for myself if I want to have a maximized window for whatever or a partial window to drag stuff off it. What, I can&#039;t learn how to drag&amp;drop AND maximize windows, wtf ?

I don&#039;t give a crap about OS wars, but saying &quot;the lack of maximize is an awesome feature because you can drag and drop, dude! awesome!&quot; is retarded.
Some people need it, some don&#039;t, that&#039;s all there is to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>what people seem to forget Mac OS is a very drag and drop operating system, for example if iâ€™m browsing the web and there is a particular piece of text or picture I want to refer back to at a latter time, I just drag it to the desktop, with text it creates a clipboard cutting of the text and with a picture itâ€™s like right clicking and save image as in windows. Try it out, itâ€™s really quite useful.<br />
If you learn to use a Mac the way in which Apple intended you will find itâ€™s a lot more intuitive and easier to use than windows </i></p>
<p>You can do all that with a maximised window. The Fx keys still work and you can do &#8220;click, drag, F11, drop&#8221;. Or like I do, with hot corners that show the desktop.</p>
<p>But most of all, I think I can choose for myself if I want to have a maximized window for whatever or a partial window to drag stuff off it. What, I can&#8217;t learn how to drag&amp;drop AND maximize windows, wtf ?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t give a crap about OS wars, but saying &#8220;the lack of maximize is an awesome feature because you can drag and drop, dude! awesome!&#8221; is retarded.<br />
Some people need it, some don&#8217;t, that&#8217;s all there is to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Roger, the reason I maximize my Windows is because there is no need to see the desktop when browsing, working in Photoshop or another such program.

There are plenty of other programs that do not need to be maximized to be used, for example Gaim, which I usually keep hidden.

However, I can see how someone coming from a Mac background would need to maximize all windows to keep the menu bar in its predictable location.&quot;&gt;

I sometimes have a need to see the Desktop when working with OS X, what people seem to forget Mac OS is a very drag and drop operating system, for example if i&#039;m browsing the web and there is a particular piece of text or picture I want to refer back to at a latter time, I just drag it to the desktop, with text it creates a clipboard cutting of the text and with a picture it&#039;s like right clicking and save image as in windows. Try it out, it&#039;s really quite useful. 

If you learn to use a Mac the way in which Apple intended you will find it&#039;s a lot more intuitive and easier to use than windows, although having said that, sometimes, not always but sometimes it comes in handy having a window maximize to fullscreen. But the green button maximizes to show all contents of the window without the need for scrolling, (if it can) in my opinion, why have the window fill up the screen with useless space? What&#039;s the point in having say the google homepage with a lot of white empty space all over the screen like you&#039;d get if running a web browser in fullscreen on windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Roger, the reason I maximize my Windows is because there is no need to see the desktop when browsing, working in Photoshop or another such program.</p><p>There are plenty of other programs that do not need to be maximized to be used, for example Gaim, which I usually keep hidden.</p>
<p>However, I can see how someone coming from a Mac background would need to maximize all windows to keep the menu bar in its predictable location."></p>
<p>I sometimes have a need to see the Desktop when working with OS X, what people seem to forget Mac OS is a very drag and drop operating system, for example if i&#8217;m browsing the web and there is a particular piece of text or picture I want to refer back to at a latter time, I just drag it to the desktop, with text it creates a clipboard cutting of the text and with a picture it&#8217;s like right clicking and save image as in windows. Try it out, it&#8217;s really quite useful. </p>
<p>If you learn to use a Mac the way in which Apple intended you will find it&#8217;s a lot more intuitive and easier to use than windows, although having said that, sometimes, not always but sometimes it comes in handy having a window maximize to fullscreen. But the green button maximizes to show all contents of the window without the need for scrolling, (if it can) in my opinion, why have the window fill up the screen with useless space? What&#8217;s the point in having say the google homepage with a lot of white empty space all over the screen like you&#8217;d get if running a web browser in fullscreen on windows.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fizz wrote:
[... That PC Guy on those TV ads should tell that little Mac-man to go maximise himself.]&lt;/strong&gt;

LOL ... full ack

dennis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fizz wrote:<br />
[... That PC Guy on those TV ads should tell that little Mac-man to go maximise himself.]</strong></p>
<p>LOL &#8230; full ack</p>
<p>dennis</p>
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		<title>By: Kael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple could mac it so easy (&quot;intuitive&quot;) --

Just option-green button
or apple-green button
or cntl-green button if you want contextual menus

Why do I say &quot;intuitive&quot;?  Because that&#039;s what I just tried and it didn&#039;t work.  ARGGHHH!

C&#039;mon Apple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple could mac it so easy (&#8220;intuitive&#8221;) &#8211;</p>
<p>Just option-green button<br />
or apple-green button<br />
or cntl-green button if you want contextual menus</p>
<p>Why do I say &#8220;intuitive&#8221;?  Because that&#8217;s what I just tried and it didn&#8217;t work.  ARGGHHH!</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon Apple!</p>
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		<title>By: Poorani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poorani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 14:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full screen is nice for when you want to give slide presentations.  If you want to make your slides in html, it would be nice if Safari (or Firefox) to be full screen then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full screen is nice for when you want to give slide presentations.  If you want to make your slides in html, it would be nice if Safari (or Firefox) to be full screen then.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 05:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back in the day... (ie os9 etc) you could click on the maximise button and it woudl do the apple style maximise (to fit content) *or* you could option-click on the maximise button and it woudl maximise to window  size. 
handy. i liked it. wish it was here now. 
when you have as many apps open as i do, and diminishing cognitive space as the day wears on, blocking other things out is really helpful for concentration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back in the day&#8230; (ie os9 etc) you could click on the maximise button and it woudl do the apple style maximise (to fit content) *or* you could option-click on the maximise button and it woudl maximise to window  size.<br />
handy. i liked it. wish it was here now.<br />
when you have as many apps open as i do, and diminishing cognitive space as the day wears on, blocking other things out is really helpful for concentration.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will explain why full screening a window is essential for some people. Personally, and I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll be speaking for quite a few.

My main reason for full screening a window is because I find the desktop and other layered windows that I&#039;m not working on a huge distraction. Maybe I just have OCD or someting, but it really bothers me when I can see the desktop behind the application I&#039;m working on. 

Another reason is as a graphic designer, when I view my work, I need to see how a page is laid out with a flat grey background. This background is displayed easily when full screened, only requiring a couple of quick keystrokes to zoom out. The green button only crops the window to the edges of my image, cutting off that grey mat. As most graphic designers and artists, I zoom out and compare my work constantly. So, you could see how resizing that window all the time could get quite annoying. If you&#039;re not a graphic designer, artist or photogropher, you may not know what Im talking about, but I thought I would share anyway.

Also, only being able to manually resize a window from the bottom right corner is really annoying too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will explain why full screening a window is essential for some people. Personally, and I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll be speaking for quite a few.</p>
<p>My main reason for full screening a window is because I find the desktop and other layered windows that I&#8217;m not working on a huge distraction. Maybe I just have OCD or someting, but it really bothers me when I can see the desktop behind the application I&#8217;m working on. </p>
<p>Another reason is as a graphic designer, when I view my work, I need to see how a page is laid out with a flat grey background. This background is displayed easily when full screened, only requiring a couple of quick keystrokes to zoom out. The green button only crops the window to the edges of my image, cutting off that grey mat. As most graphic designers and artists, I zoom out and compare my work constantly. So, you could see how resizing that window all the time could get quite annoying. If you&#8217;re not a graphic designer, artist or photogropher, you may not know what Im talking about, but I thought I would share anyway.</p>
<p>Also, only being able to manually resize a window from the bottom right corner is really annoying too.</p>
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