Comments on: Should the br tag be used? http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/ Web development and Internet trends Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:15:00 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Warren http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-592801 Warren Thu, 02 Jul 2009 03:16:55 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-592801 I wrote and maintain a business website. When I say I wrote it, what I mean is I hand coded all the XHTML for every page. The website has 17 pages all done in XHTML 1.0 Strict. The site has over 2500 lines of XHTML or CSS code. I have found that the BR tag has a place in a website. By using the BR tag I can eliminate several usless div's. BR tags can be over used, but they can also be a big help when hand coding a website. Why use a div to do the same work as a br tag? I wrote and maintain a business website. When I say I wrote it, what I mean is I hand coded all the XHTML for every page. The website has 17 pages all done in XHTML 1.0 Strict. The site has over 2500 lines of XHTML or CSS code. I have found that the BR tag has a place in a website. By using the BR tag I can eliminate several usless div’s. BR tags can be over used, but they can also be a big help when hand coding a website. Why use a div to do the same work as a br tag?

]]> By: SneakyWho_am_i http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-483296 SneakyWho_am_i Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:18:16 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-483296 I never ever use said tag, at least when working alone. It's nice to be reminded that it perhaps does have a semantic meaning. I only ever seem to see it used presentationally, say to make room for a positioned element in the space it can create... Or to make paragraphs, or other kinds of crimes. I never ever use said tag, at least when working alone. It’s nice to be reminded that it perhaps does have a semantic meaning. I only ever seem to see it used presentationally, say to make room for a positioned element in the space it can create… Or to make paragraphs, or other kinds of crimes.

]]> By: Benjamin McLean http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-417577 Benjamin McLean Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:23:22 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-417577 Here is how to do line breaks without BR <UL STYLE="list-style: none; padding: 0; margin: 0;"> <LI>Line 1</LI> <LI>Line 2</LI> <LI>Line 3</LI> </UL> Here is how to do line breaks without BR

<UL STYLE=”list-style: none; padding: 0; margin: 0;”>
<LI>Line 1</LI>
<LI>Line 2</LI>
<LI>Line 3</LI>
</UL>

]]> By: Mike http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-327152 Mike Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:29:19 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-327152 Hi- Having some issues with &ltbr&gt tag-related things. I'm using &ltbr&gt after text in a Heading 4, and noticing something strange. If I use &ltbr&gt before the &lt/h4&gt tag, the break occurs after the heading text in my html editor, which is what I want. However, when I upload the page to the web, I'm seeing an extra space after the heading. If I use the &ltbr&gt after the &lt/h4&gt tag, I'm seeing a space in between the heading text and the next line, which I do not want. What am I missing? Thanks for any help! Mike Hi-

Having some issues with &ltbr&gt tag-related things. I’m using &ltbr&gt after text in a Heading 4, and noticing something strange.

If I use &ltbr&gt before the &lt/h4&gt tag, the break occurs after the heading text in my html editor, which is what I want. However, when I upload the page to the web, I’m seeing an extra space after the heading.

If I use the &ltbr&gt after the &lt/h4&gt tag, I’m seeing a space in between the heading text and the next line, which I do not want.

What am I missing?

Thanks for any help!
Mike

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-206760 Robert Nyman Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:48:02 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-206760 John, <blockquote> getting your text to be picked up by search engines. </blockquote> It is also vital for making an accessible web site. Hjornvar, HTML mails are definitely something different, I agree. John,

getting your text to be picked up by search engines.

It is also vital for making an accessible web site.

Hjornvar,

HTML mails are definitely something different, I agree.

]]> By: John http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-205469 John Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:18:29 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-205469 woops, my post was edited. I said "and of course I use br / for poetry" woops, my post was edited. I said “and of course I use br / for poetry”

]]> By: Hjornvar http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-205465 Hjornvar Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:27 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-205465 Robert, yes, but in html-mail for example, css won't work for some clients, and the invisible image is just used to eliminate the <p>... Robert,

yes, but in html-mail for example, css won’t work for some clients, and the invisible image is just used to eliminate the <p>…

]]> By: John http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-205464 John Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:16:09 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-205464 My external css code for my journal section is something like this #journal p { font: normal normal normal 14px/16px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin: 10px 0px 10px 0px; padding 0px; color: #fff; } br { font: normal normal normal 16px/16px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;} This way when I wrap each paragraph there is a 20px space between total, between the top and bottom of each paragraph. And of course, I use for poetry Using p and h1 h2 properly, etc tags are important for one reason and one reason alone.... getting your text to be picked up by search engines. If someone is looking for something, all your important content should be in the p and h1 h2 tags. That's what I heard. I'm still trying to figure out if img and object tags go inside p tags. So far I do not put them in p. My external css code for my journal section is something like this

#journal p {
font: normal normal normal 14px/16px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
margin: 10px 0px 10px 0px; padding 0px; color: #fff;
}

br {
font: normal normal normal 16px/16px Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; margin: 0px; padding: 0px;}

This way when I wrap each paragraph there is a 20px space between total, between the top and bottom of each paragraph.

And of course, I use for poetry

Using p and h1 h2 properly, etc tags are important for one reason and one reason alone…. getting your text to be picked up by search engines. If someone is looking for something, all your important content should be in the p and h1 h2 tags. That’s what I heard.

I’m still trying to figure out if img and object tags go inside p tags. So far I do not put them in p.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-192137 Robert Nyman Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:50:45 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-192137 Hjornvar, Use CSS for spacing. Hjornvar,

Use CSS for spacing.

]]> By: Hjornvar http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-192127 Hjornvar Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:25:16 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-192127 I squeeze in an invisible image between the br:s to decide the perfect row space. How wrong is that? I squeeze in an invisible image between the br:s to decide the perfect row space. How wrong is that?

]]> By: WA Pages http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-66732 WA Pages Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:13:33 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-66732 I'm having trouble with br... My WYSIWYG uses br for each new line... [enter and shift enter]. I usually need 2 lines between paragraphs... but for some reason.. two br tags don't count... I only get one blank row... =/ I’m having trouble with br… My WYSIWYG uses br for each new line… [enter and shift enter]. I usually need 2 lines between paragraphs… but for some reason.. two br tags don’t count… I only get one blank row… =/

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]]> By: Joe Dolson Accessible Web Design | Is a br tag semantic? http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-31494 Joe Dolson Accessible Web Design | Is a br tag semantic? Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:17:36 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-31494 [...] to be a purely presentational element. Robert Nyman boils the issue down to a number of different perspectives on line breaks: “no”, “yes”, &#82 [...] [...] to be a purely presentational element. Robert Nyman boils the issue down to a number of different perspectives on line breaks: “no”, “yes”, &#82 [...]

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-29499 Robert Nyman Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:11:53 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-29499 Goulven, Thanks for your input! Goulven,

Thanks for your input!

]]> By: Goulven http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-29373 Goulven Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:21:15 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-29373 Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but if we are to remain credible and consistent with what we preach, using BR for line breaks is the most obvious choice. We're doing our best to convince our clients to use semantic markup... What we can tell them though is that they should start new paragraphs when moving to another point, not BRs. Maybe I’m over-simplifying, but if we are to remain credible and consistent with what we preach, using BR for line breaks is the most obvious choice. We’re doing our best to convince our clients to use semantic markup…

What we can tell them though is that they should start new paragraphs when moving to another point, not BRs.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28816 Robert Nyman Fri, 19 Jan 2007 07:25:53 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28816 Thanks for your comments! Thanks for your comments!

]]> By: Pat http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28704 Pat Thu, 18 Jan 2007 18:24:27 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28704 Back in the days when I was learning to code HTML, I used Netscape.. remember that? Oh my gosh... well, of course quickly afterwards I dove into the code itself, and never touched a WYSIWYG editor again. But.. old habits are hard to break (no pun intended), and I have no qualms about using <br> tags at all. Infact I'll even admit I use two br's because sometimes it looks better than one <p> (duck), and I'm too lazy to code css to interperate a simple br. And of course on the flip side, simple technique is always great when viewing the page without any style. However, I don't normally use breaks to break up a running paragraph, whereas I prefer it to wrap naturally. I think <br | p> it's all so trivial, and I don't forsee these tags going away anytime soon.. now if we're talking <blink | marquee>.. who ever thought of those. lol Back in the days when I was learning to code HTML, I used Netscape.. remember that? Oh my gosh… well, of course quickly afterwards I dove into the code itself, and never touched a WYSIWYG editor again.

But.. old habits are hard to break (no pun intended), and I have no qualms about using <br> tags at all. Infact I’ll even admit I use two br’s because sometimes it looks better than one <p> (duck), and I’m too lazy to code css to interperate a simple br. And of course on the flip side, simple technique is always great when viewing the page without any style.

However, I don’t normally use breaks to break up a running paragraph, whereas I prefer it to wrap naturally.

I think <br | p> it’s all so trivial, and I don’t forsee these tags going away anytime soon.. now if we’re talking <blink | marquee>.. who ever thought of those. lol

]]> By: bruce http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28658 bruce Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:44:49 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28658 I use the br after a label-input pair in forms, so they look OK with stylesheets off . I use the br after a label-input pair in forms, so they look OK with stylesheets off .

]]> By: Tommy Olsson http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28651 Tommy Olsson Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:30:13 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28651 @Chris: In <em>my</em> opinion, that space should be handled by CSS. It is presentational, not semantic. One <code><br></code> is semantic, because it separates the street address from the postal code and city. @Chris:
In my opinion, that space should be handled by CSS. It is presentational, not semantic. One <br> is semantic, because it separates the street address from the postal code and city.

]]> By: Teddy Zetterlund http://robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28650 Teddy Zetterlund Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:21:41 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/01/17/should-the-br-tag-be-used/#comment-28650 Maaike asked for a alternative solution to eugene's example so here comes. <p>Lorem ipsum… <a href="#">More lipsum »</a></p> This solution is pretty much the same as I suggested in <a>. There's no need for extra spans or anything, you even get rid of a element from his example. Maaike asked for a alternative solution to eugene’s example so here comes.

<p>Lorem ipsum… <a href=”#”>More lipsum »</a></p>

This solution is pretty much the same as I suggested in .

There’s no need for extra spans or anything, you even get rid of a element from his example.

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