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		<title>By: Toegankelijkheid tests: Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson &#124; Bart Schouten's Blog</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-588202</link>
		<dc:creator>Toegankelijkheid tests: Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson &#124; Bart Schouten's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 19:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lillbra &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sajter under lupp</title>
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		<dc:creator>lillbra &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sajter under lupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kollega Robert Nyman har gjort en jÃ¤mfÃ¶relse av tillgÃ¤ngligheten pÃ¥ Sony Ericsson och Nokias webbplatser. Sony Ericsson drar tveklÃ¶st det kortaste strÃ¥et, vars sajt inte fungerar alls utan javascript. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kollega Robert Nyman har gjort en jÃ¤mfÃ¶relse av tillgÃ¤ngligheten pÃ¥ Sony Ericsson och Nokias webbplatser. Sony Ericsson drar tveklÃ¶st det kortaste strÃ¥et, vars sajt inte fungerar alls utan javascript. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Life w/o Javascript: A look at Nokia vs. SonyEricsson &#187; UIE Brain Sparks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Life w/o Javascript: A look at Nokia vs. SonyEricsson &#187; UIE Brain Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Nyman does just that with the Nokia and SonyEricsson UK sites and finds some surprising results. It&#8217;s quite a good write up. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Best of the rest - 40? ???????? 2008 &#124; Tsevdos.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best of the rest - 40? ???????? 2008 &#124; Tsevdos.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-448038</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan,

Thank you very much. :-)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/robertnyman.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;According to Alexa, 99% of other web sites are slower&lt;/a&gt;, so that feels good. Feels good that I have done my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/05/09/improve-your-web-site-performance-tips-tricks-to-get-a-good-yslow-rating/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;performance homework&lt;/a&gt;.

Matt,

Thank you!
Sure, it&#039;s not like everything&#039;s wrong with the Flash versions of their web sites (although overall, personally I don&#039;t prefer them). And the web is full of people using things just because it&#039;s possible, but not necessarily always the most suitable.

Steven,

Thanks!
I won&#039;t go into Arts Tasmania in detail here, but thanks for the rant!

Also, congratulations to the camera! I have no idea where that bastard comment would have come from... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan,</p>
<p>Thank you very much. <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/robertnyman.com" rel="nofollow">According to Alexa, 99% of other web sites are slower</a>, so that feels good. Feels good that I have done my <a href="http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/05/09/improve-your-web-site-performance-tips-tricks-to-get-a-good-yslow-rating/" rel="nofollow">performance homework</a>.</p>
<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Thank you!<br />
Sure, it&#8217;s not like everything&#8217;s wrong with the Flash versions of their web sites (although overall, personally I don&#8217;t prefer them). And the web is full of people using things just because it&#8217;s possible, but not necessarily always the most suitable.</p>
<p>Steven,</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
I won&#8217;t go into Arts Tasmania in detail here, but thanks for the rant!</p>
<p>Also, congratulations to the camera! I have no idea where that bastard comment would have come from&#8230; <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-447814</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that link to Arts Tasmania is

http://www.arts.tas.gov.au/

I&#039;d truely love to see how this could improve the stats. It&#039;s the local poster child for worst practice BTW. I&#039;ve been meaning to do an article on it but it&#039;s just too easy. Swishy navigation you have to chase, and all that swishy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that link to Arts Tasmania is</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arts.tas.gov.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.arts.tas.gov.au/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d truely love to see how this could improve the stats. It&#8217;s the local poster child for worst practice BTW. I&#8217;ve been meaning to do an article on it but it&#8217;s just too easy. Swishy navigation you have to chase, and all that swishy stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-447808</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes a well written article Robert, nice work. You might look at Arts Tasmania, a government website here. Being transparent I should point out that DEPHA (Dept Environment, Parks, Heritage and the Arts) Web team are responsible - and they happen to be the group I resigned from a couple of weeks ago.

When they mentioned this site at my initial interview I burst out laughing very loudly. Couldn&#039;t help it - they&#039;d just grilled me for 10 minutes about web standards and best practice. Anyway, there&#039;s nothing like the analogue arts industry to get shafted by the shiny Flash object lol... personally I think on that site JS off is the best experience.

What really gets me though is that when you go ask these guys they&#039;re - Nokia team, for example - they&#039;ve had so many &quot;designers&quot; and &quot;managers&quot; slapping each other on the back that there&#039;s no way they&#039;ll see their work as flawed. For christ sake it was in the company newsletter! The general manager sent an email!!!!!

OK I&#039;m a bit jaded in my new unemployment but having just come from a &quot;Flash Banner on everything&quot; environment I could draw and quarter Mr Flash developers far and wide for this kind of stuff.

Apologies for the rant everyone [did I mention I bought a Nikon D90 to console myself - Robert called me a bastard but I had lost faith in Santa so got it myself] :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes a well written article Robert, nice work. You might look at Arts Tasmania, a government website here. Being transparent I should point out that DEPHA (Dept Environment, Parks, Heritage and the Arts) Web team are responsible &#8211; and they happen to be the group I resigned from a couple of weeks ago.</p>
<p>When they mentioned this site at my initial interview I burst out laughing very loudly. Couldn&#8217;t help it &#8211; they&#8217;d just grilled me for 10 minutes about web standards and best practice. Anyway, there&#8217;s nothing like the analogue arts industry to get shafted by the shiny Flash object lol&#8230; personally I think on that site JS off is the best experience.</p>
<p>What really gets me though is that when you go ask these guys they&#8217;re &#8211; Nokia team, for example &#8211; they&#8217;ve had so many &#8220;designers&#8221; and &#8220;managers&#8221; slapping each other on the back that there&#8217;s no way they&#8217;ll see their work as flawed. For christ sake it was in the company newsletter! The general manager sent an email!!!!!</p>
<p>OK I&#8217;m a bit jaded in my new unemployment but having just come from a &#8220;Flash Banner on everything&#8221; environment I could draw and quarter Mr Flash developers far and wide for this kind of stuff.</p>
<p>Apologies for the rant everyone [did I mention I bought a Nikon D90 to console myself - Robert called me a bastard but I had lost faith in Santa so got it myself] <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-447186</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I&#039;ve noticed this with these two sites as well Robert (and drawn similar conclusions!)

I&#039;ve been spending quite a bit of time at both sites lately as I&#039;m thinking of upgrading my phone. Currently, I have a Sony Ericsson - and I like their phones more than Nokia. Yes, I like the iPhone - but I don&#039;t like O2 (the phone&#039;s UK exclusive provider) - so that&#039;s not an option for me.

Both web sites (Nokia and Sony-Ericsson) rely far too much on scripts and that&#039;s definitely bad practice.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all bad for the Sony-Ericsson site: I mean, for the visitors with javascript and flash enabled, I think it is the better of the two sites and has some nice design touches in there. I&#039;ve enjoyed using the site far more than the Nokia web site.  There is no excuse for the lack of non-javascript support though - and they&#039;d be wise to resolve that soon (but I doubt they will).

Over-reliance on Flash with the Sony-Ericsson site reminds me a lot of some car manufacturers&#039; web sites too...similar thing: &quot;Ooh, it&#039;s slick, it&#039;s trick, it looks wonderful....we must use it for everything!&quot; (while completely abandoning best practice for accessibility and usability too! Not smart!!)

Good observations and comments Robert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I&#8217;ve noticed this with these two sites as well Robert (and drawn similar conclusions!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been spending quite a bit of time at both sites lately as I&#8217;m thinking of upgrading my phone. Currently, I have a Sony Ericsson &#8211; and I like their phones more than Nokia. Yes, I like the iPhone &#8211; but I don&#8217;t like O2 (the phone&#8217;s UK exclusive provider) &#8211; so that&#8217;s not an option for me.</p>
<p>Both web sites (Nokia and Sony-Ericsson) rely far too much on scripts and that&#8217;s definitely bad practice.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all bad for the Sony-Ericsson site: I mean, for the visitors with javascript and flash enabled, I think it is the better of the two sites and has some nice design touches in there. I&#8217;ve enjoyed using the site far more than the Nokia web site.  There is no excuse for the lack of non-javascript support though &#8211; and they&#8217;d be wise to resolve that soon (but I doubt they will).</p>
<p>Over-reliance on Flash with the Sony-Ericsson site reminds me a lot of some car manufacturers&#8217; web sites too&#8230;similar thing: &#8220;Ooh, it&#8217;s slick, it&#8217;s trick, it looks wonderful&#8230;.we must use it for everything!&#8221; (while completely abandoning best practice for accessibility and usability too! Not smart!!)</p>
<p>Good observations and comments Robert.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Van Reeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan Van Reeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each time I load up this site I just love the swiftness of it. Navigation is a cake. And it&#039;s just awesome in it&#039;s simplicity. So if I were Robert, I&#039;d too would be wondering how on earth those companies didn&#039;t call me when they needed a new site ;)

Loved the pagerank test, dead on target I&#039;s say.

Cheers, Stefan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each time I load up this site I just love the swiftness of it. Navigation is a cake. And it&#8217;s just awesome in it&#8217;s simplicity. So if I were Robert, I&#8217;d too would be wondering how on earth those companies didn&#8217;t call me when they needed a new site <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Loved the pagerank test, dead on target I&#8217;s say.</p>
<p>Cheers, Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-09-30 at Ip&#8217;s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-09-30 at Ip&#8217;s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Accessibility tested web sites: Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson - Robertâ€™s talk - Web development and Inte... &quot;Having done an amount of cell phone research lately, Iâ€™ve had the not-so-pleasant experience of seeing the level of quality of certain cell phone vendor web sites. Therefore, Iâ€™d like to compare Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson.&quot; (tags: accessibility nokia sony-ericsson testing mobile javascript) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gustaf,

Thank you, I hope so too!

I mean, somewhere along the line, someone have to explain that they knew nothing of accessibility or completely ignored it. Either is really, really bad, especially more so for the template of a world-wide site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gustaf,</p>
<p>Thank you, I hope so too!</p>
<p>I mean, somewhere along the line, someone have to explain that they knew nothing of accessibility or completely ignored it. Either is really, really bad, especially more so for the template of a world-wide site.</p>
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		<title>By: Gustaf Forsslund</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-442449</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustaf Forsslund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great entry, Robert. I really hope that the right people at the respective companies (and others) see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great entry, Robert. I really hope that the right people at the respective companies (and others) see this.</p>
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