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		<title>By: klima</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2010/02/15/css-gradients-for-all-web-browsers-without-using-images/#comment-656201</link>
		<dc:creator>klima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 07:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you.
for collecting all the different puzzle pieces for us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you.<br />
for collecting all the different puzzle pieces for us!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Aug 2010 20:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manish,

Not sure exactly what you mean, but it should work the same way as it works in Safari, as they are both based on the WebKit rendering engine.

Mikeyyy,

Oh, good question, I sure hope, but very hard to tell at this moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manish,</p>
<p>Not sure exactly what you mean, but it should work the same way as it works in Safari, as they are both based on the WebKit rendering engine.</p>
<p>Mikeyyy,</p>
<p>Oh, good question, I sure hope, but very hard to tell at this moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikeyyy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikeyyy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 05:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Robert, do you ever think they will consolidate this so that redundant lines of code aren&#039;t needed for each different browser? just curious of your opinion, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Robert, do you ever think they will consolidate this so that redundant lines of code aren&#8217;t needed for each different browser? just curious of your opinion, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Manish Kosta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manish Kosta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>google crome does not run this efficient as a hight of gradient effect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>google crome does not run this efficient as a hight of gradient effect</p>
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		<title>By: Start Using CSS3 Today: Techniques and Tutorials &#124; ZoooZu.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Start Using CSS3 Today: Techniques and Tutorials &#124; ZoooZu.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 00:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CSS Gradients For All Web Browsers, Without Using Images Robert Nyman explains how to code cross-browser CSS gradients that work even in Internet Explorer. [...]</description>
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		<dc:creator>Start Using CSS3 Today: Techniques and Tutorials &#124; Web Design Cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] CSS Gradients For All Web Browsers, Without Using ImagesRobert Nyman explains how to code cross-browser CSS gradients that work even in Internet Explorer. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wait till I come! &#187; Rimshots for all &#8211; using HTML5 audio and CSS3 to make instantrimshot.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wait till I come! &#187; Rimshots for all &#8211; using HTML5 audio and CSS3 to make instantrimshot.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 09:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the background for my work I used HTML5Doctor&#8217;s Audio in the browser article and Robert Nyman&#8217;s CSS gradient example and I have to say a few things about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 May 2010 08:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit,

I agree, you do need to adapt to your context needs, there&#039;s no solution fits all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit,</p>
<p>I agree, you do need to adapt to your context needs, there&#8217;s no solution fits all.</p>
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		<title>By: bit</title>
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		<dc:creator>bit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 23:04:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I can see how multiple images in a website might be a problem if you&#039;re using a lot of images and the browser limits the amount it will download at the same time.

However, it should only be used if your website has a lot of images. Because it is useful to devide images into different files, and because semantically, background-image was only intended for backgrounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I can see how multiple images in a website might be a problem if you&#8217;re using a lot of images and the browser limits the amount it will download at the same time.</p>
<p>However, it should only be used if your website has a lot of images. Because it is useful to devide images into different files, and because semantically, background-image was only intended for backgrounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 14:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit,

I&#039;m not defending the size and number of superfluous functions in JavaScript libraries at all, and I agree they&#039;re overused.

However, this research is performed by a lot of people working for the highest trafficked web sites on the Internet, and it is common knowledge that a huge number of HTTP Requests affects performance poorly.

Regarding images: if you want even better performance there, base64-encode your images, resulting in no extra request and the possibility to gzip the output as well.

The biggest problems with HTTP Requests isn&#039;t header size, it&#039;s about latency and limited number of concurrent downloads in web browsers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not defending the size and number of superfluous functions in JavaScript libraries at all, and I agree they&#8217;re overused.</p>
<p>However, this research is performed by a lot of people working for the highest trafficked web sites on the Internet, and it is common knowledge that a huge number of HTTP Requests affects performance poorly.</p>
<p>Regarding images: if you want even better performance there, base64-encode your images, resulting in no extra request and the possibility to gzip the output as well.</p>
<p>The biggest problems with HTTP Requests isn&#8217;t header size, it&#8217;s about latency and limited number of concurrent downloads in web browsers.</p>
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		<title>By: bit</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2010/02/15/css-gradients-for-all-web-browsers-without-using-images/#comment-637785</link>
		<dc:creator>bit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 13:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a typical example of some http headers, taken from this pages&#039; request:
&lt;code&gt;
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:49:15 GMT
Server: Apache/2.0.54
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.6
Vary: Cookie,Accept-Encoding
X-Pingback: http://robertnyman.com/xmlrpc.php
WP-Super-Cache: WP-Cache
Content-Encoding: gzip
Content-Length: 24640
Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

200 OK
&lt;/code&gt;
The concept of HTTP headers was created for a purpose, it wasn&#039;t created to slow things down.

Lets take a simple real-world case where headers can help speed things up:
A user might tell a browser not to load an image if its bigger than, say 10kb. Or even, a browser might prioritize its requests differently and load the bigger images last. The browser will need the Content-Length header to know what the image size is in order to make these decisions.

The size of the HTTP headers above is 339 bytes. 339 bytes people!
Lets compare it to something useless that I see on most webpages today; redundant jQuery functions. e.g. &lt;a href=&quot;http://pmpk.in/24&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;.animate()&lt;/a&gt;. You don&#039;t always use .animate() in your project, but you always include it. Why? because its comfortable to know its there when you need it, because its hard to build your own custom version of jQuery. Who pays the price? Your users.

That function is about 1.9kb in size, uncompressed, unpacked. I have no idea how much space it actually takes on the compressed and packed version of jQuery, but I&#039;m sure its much more than a few bytes.

Conclusion -- Before you run off into the sunset with some &quot;genius&quot; from Yahoo/Google, do your own research, use logic. You want to speed up your website? There is plenty of bad coding in things like JS libraries that you can tweak before you decide it&#039;s time to break/cheat the browsers&#039; function.

&lt;food-for-thought&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a typical example of some http headers, taken from this pages&#8217; request:<br />
<code><br />
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:49:15 GMT<br />
Server: Apache/2.0.54<br />
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.6<br />
Vary: Cookie,Accept-Encoding<br />
X-Pingback: <a href="http://robertnyman.com/xmlrpc.php" rel="nofollow">http://robertnyman.com/xmlrpc.php</a><br />
WP-Super-Cache: WP-Cache<br />
Content-Encoding: gzip<br />
Content-Length: 24640<br />
Keep-Alive: timeout=5, max=100<br />
Connection: Keep-Alive<br />
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8</p>
<p>200 OK<br />
</code><br />
The concept of HTTP headers was created for a purpose, it wasn&#8217;t created to slow things down.</p>
<p>Lets take a simple real-world case where headers can help speed things up:<br />
A user might tell a browser not to load an image if its bigger than, say 10kb. Or even, a browser might prioritize its requests differently and load the bigger images last. The browser will need the Content-Length header to know what the image size is in order to make these decisions.</p>
<p>The size of the HTTP headers above is 339 bytes. 339 bytes people!<br />
Lets compare it to something useless that I see on most webpages today; redundant jQuery functions. e.g. <a href="http://pmpk.in/24" rel="nofollow">.animate()</a>. You don&#8217;t always use .animate() in your project, but you always include it. Why? because its comfortable to know its there when you need it, because its hard to build your own custom version of jQuery. Who pays the price? Your users.</p>
<p>That function is about 1.9kb in size, uncompressed, unpacked. I have no idea how much space it actually takes on the compressed and packed version of jQuery, but I&#8217;m sure its much more than a few bytes.</p>
<p>Conclusion &#8212; Before you run off into the sunset with some &#8220;genius&#8221; from Yahoo/Google, do your own research, use logic. You want to speed up your website? There is plenty of bad coding in things like JS libraries that you can tweak before you decide it&#8217;s time to break/cheat the browsers&#8217; function.</p>
<p>&lt;food-for-thought&gt;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 07:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit,

If you know about the radial gradient in IE, please let me know!

Regarding the number of HTTP requests, lots and extensive research by, for instance, performance guru &lt;a href=&quot;http://stevesouders.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve Souders&lt;/a&gt; (formerly of Yahoo!, now with Google) and by Yahoo!, described in &lt;a href=&quot;http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Best Practices for Speeding Up Your Web Site&lt;/a&gt;, shows that too many HTTP requests is one of the biggest performance problem on the web. It&#039;s about superfluous header data, latency etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit,</p>
<p>If you know about the radial gradient in IE, please let me know!</p>
<p>Regarding the number of HTTP requests, lots and extensive research by, for instance, performance guru <a href="http://stevesouders.com/" rel="nofollow">Steve Souders</a> (formerly of Yahoo!, now with Google) and by Yahoo!, described in <a href="http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html" rel="nofollow">Best Practices for Speeding Up Your Web Site</a>, shows that too many HTTP requests is one of the biggest performance problem on the web. It&#8217;s about superfluous header data, latency etc.</p>
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		<title>By: bit</title>
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		<dc:creator>bit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 23:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure I saw an effect like radial gradient in IE.

Also, quit whining in the comments people! These CSS properties are EXPIRAMENTAL (exculuding IEs old stuff of course). They are still drafts on w3.org, meaning they are still even subject to change. browsers that did implement them already used a prefix for the purpose of marking them as expiramental.
And its a good thing too, because if they hadn&#039;t a lot of websites will be broken when CSS3 would actually be finished, just because you guys only read misinforming blog posts for information instead of the offical specification/browser release notes.

And another thing, whats wrong with multiple HTTP requests? How is it a bad thing to devide content into different files that load individually, giving the user the option to stop, block, and or manipulate certain downloads in a page? Do you think a few bytes of HTTP headers are going to slow down your page loading time considerably? I guarantee you that your favorite JS library, that has functions you never use -- and still load on every page, does a lot more damage to your loading time than than a few HTTP requests.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure I saw an effect like radial gradient in IE.</p>
<p>Also, quit whining in the comments people! These CSS properties are EXPIRAMENTAL (exculuding IEs old stuff of course). They are still drafts on w3.org, meaning they are still even subject to change. browsers that did implement them already used a prefix for the purpose of marking them as expiramental.<br />
And its a good thing too, because if they hadn&#8217;t a lot of websites will be broken when CSS3 would actually be finished, just because you guys only read misinforming blog posts for information instead of the offical specification/browser release notes.</p>
<p>And another thing, whats wrong with multiple HTTP requests? How is it a bad thing to devide content into different files that load individually, giving the user the option to stop, block, and or manipulate certain downloads in a page? Do you think a few bytes of HTTP headers are going to slow down your page loading time considerably? I guarantee you that your favorite JS library, that has functions you never use &#8212; and still load on every page, does a lot more damage to your loading time than than a few HTTP requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Francis,

Really? Can&#039;t check right now, but if that&#039;s the case, it&#039;s not good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis,</p>
<p>Really? Can&#8217;t check right now, but if that&#8217;s the case, it&#8217;s not good.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 23:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice work, only to let  you know the gradient does not work in firefox on linux :o)

hope FF will do something for that soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice work, only to let  you know the gradient does not work in firefox on linux <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>hope FF will do something for that soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2010/02/15/css-gradients-for-all-web-browsers-without-using-images/#comment-632288</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ruvan,

Yes, it was an unfortunate word choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ruvan,</p>
<p>Yes, it was an unfortunate word choice.</p>
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		<title>By: ruvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 12:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m think you have knowingly ignored opera simply because there is no CSS way other than using the newer HTML5 canvas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m think you have knowingly ignored opera simply because there is no CSS way other than using the newer HTML5 canvas.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://robertnyman.com/2010/02/15/css-gradients-for-all-web-browsers-without-using-images/#comment-631433</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andreas,

Nice, thanks for the tip!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andreas,</p>
<p>Nice, thanks for the tip!</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://gradients.glrzad.com/   nice css3 gradient generator, doesnt support ie filters though. probably because its not css3 :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://gradients.glrzad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://gradients.glrzad.com/</a>   nice css3 gradient generator, doesnt support ie filters though. probably because its not css3 <img src='http://robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

Well, it is going in the direction of being standardized with just one single CSS approach. Unfortunately, that&#039;s far away at the moment, and this is our option for now (CSS-wise).

Remy,

That&#039;s kind of a huge discussion, but I&#039;d say design (e.g. gradients) is extremely useful in teems of creating a better user experience, proven by Apple with a lot of their products.

With IE and performance on filters, absolutely, it&#039;s a valid question and in the end it comes down to testing and evaluating the experience for your specific use case.

And yes, I&#039;d love test cases deeply evaluating filters performance in IE as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>Well, it is going in the direction of being standardized with just one single CSS approach. Unfortunately, that&#8217;s far away at the moment, and this is our option for now (CSS-wise).</p>
<p>Remy,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s kind of a huge discussion, but I&#8217;d say design (e.g. gradients) is extremely useful in teems of creating a better user experience, proven by Apple with a lot of their products.</p>
<p>With IE and performance on filters, absolutely, it&#8217;s a valid question and in the end it comes down to testing and evaluating the experience for your specific use case.</p>
<p>And yes, I&#8217;d love test cases deeply evaluating filters performance in IE as well.</p>
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